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| Forums Home » Fluoride » Fluoridation of Public Water Suppy |
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| Darren Ward |
Fluoridation of Public Water Suppy
posted: 29/06/2002 19:05:00 |
As a resident of the artificially fluoridated area I have lost my right to choose whether or not an essential to life is delivered contaminated or not. Surly you must agree that as citizen of a democratic state I have the right to choose whether I receive fluoridated water or not.
As an elected body I put it to you that if your constituents’ rights are infringed it is your duty to reinstate and protect them. Will ABC be fullfilling their duty?
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| Darren Ward |
Do we have better teeth due to fluoridated water?
posted: 29/06/2002 19:19:00 |
The 'better teeth' argument put by all those in support of fluoridation simply does not hold any weight:
New evidence suggests that fluoridation is either unnecessary or doesn't work. Cavities have declined at similarly impressive rates throughout the entire western, industrialized world over the past half century. This decline has occurred irrespective of a country's fluoridation status. Western Europe, which is 98% unfluoridated, has experienced the same decline in cavities as the heavily fluoridated US, and today enjoys the SAME low level of tooth decay.
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| Darren Ward |
Too much Fluoride can kill.
posted: 29/06/2002 19:24:00 |
Fluoride is a very toxic substance, which is why it is the active ingredient in a number of pesticides. Just over 2 grams of fluoride (roughly a teaspoon) is enough to kill a 160 pound adult, while just 300 mg is enough to kill a 20 pound child. In the US, people have died, and many have become sick, when faltering fluoridation equipment has pumped excess fluoride into the water.
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| Darren Ward |
Safe limits of fluoride.
posted: 29/06/2002 19:27:00 |
When a parent feeds a child infant formula reconstituted with fluoridated water, they are exceeding the fluoride dosage recommendations of the American Dental Association (ADA). According to the ADA, infants under 6 months of age should receive NO fluoride supplementation, while infants between the age of 6 months and 3 years should receive no more than 0.25 milligrams per day. Ingestion of fluoridated infant formula will exceed these limits and significantly increase the child's risk of developing dental fluorosis.
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| Darren Ward |
The effect of fluoride on bones
posted: 29/06/2002 19:34:00 |
High levels of naturally occurring fluoride causes a crippling bone disease known as skeletal fluorosis. Skeletal fluorosis, in its extreme form, currently affects millions of people living in India, China, and other poorer countries where nutritional deficiencies (e.g. lack of calcium) exacerbate fluoride's toxic effects.
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Skeletal fluorosis comes in varying degrees of severity depending on nutritional status and level of exposure. The earliest symptoms are characterized by joint pain that is difficult, if not impossible, to distinguish from arthritis. According to a review on fluoridation by Chemical & Engineering News: "Because some of the clinical symptoms mimic arthritis, the first two clinical phases of skeletal fluorosis could be easily misdiagnosed [as arthritis]." The World Health Organization states that "early cases [of skeletal fluorosis] may be misdiagnosed as rheumatoid or osteo arthritis."
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Fluoride stimulates abnormal bone development. Clinical trials published in the New England Journal of Medicine and Journal of Bone and Mineral Research report that high dose fluoride treatment increases bone mass but that the newly formed bone is "structurally unsound". Thus, instead of reducing hip fracture, the studies found that high doses of fluoride increase hip fracture.
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There is concern that "low" doses of fluoride, taken over long periods of time (e.g. fluoridated water), may also increase the rate of hip fracture. 19 recent studies have investigated the relationship between low levels of fluoride in water and hip fracture, with over half of the studies finding an association.
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| Darren Ward |
What does fluoride do to your brain?
posted: 29/06/2002 19:38:00 |
A 1995 study in the journal Neurtoxicology and Teratology, found that fluoride accumulated in the brain of rats and produced age-specific behavioral deficits typical of most neurotoxic agents. In the study, fluoride induced damage to the hippocampal region of the brain. Damage to the hippocampal region has been linked to hyperactivity and cognitive deficits. Based on the results, the lead author of the study, Dr. Phyllis Mullenix, has come out and advised against water fluoridation.
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5 recent peer reviewed studies from China have found an association between elevated fluoride exposure and decreased IQs in children - an effect that would be expected based on Mullenix's research. According to a May 2000 review by Greater Boston Physicians for Social Responsibility:
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"Studies in animals and human populations suggest that fluoride exposure, at levels that are experienced by a significant proportion of the population whose drinking water is fluoridated, may have adverse impacts on the developing brain. Though no final conclusions may be reached from available data, the findings are provocative and of significant public health concern."
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| Darren Ward |
Flouride can help the body absorb lead.
posted: 29/06/2002 19:49:00 |
An epidemiological study published in the December 2000 issue of the journal Neurotoxicology, found that fluoridated water was associated with elevated levels of lead in children's blood. The study's findings parallel the findings of an earlier study published in the September 1999 issue of the International Journal of Environmental Studies. Lead in the blood is associated with a variety of neurological problems, including reduced intelligence, aggression and hyperactivity.
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| Darren Ward |
Does fluoride cause cancers?
posted: 29/06/2002 19:52:00 |
Dozens of laboratory studies have found that fluoride is a mutagen - a classification which frequently indicates that a substance is carcinogenic (i.e. that it causes cancer). A cancer bioassay conducted by the National Toxicology Program found that rats dosed with fluoride had a statistically significant increase in bone tumors (osteosarcomas), which were not found among the controls. The initial review of the study also reported that the fluoride-dosed animals had tumors of the thyroid, oral cavity and rare tumors of the liver; however these tumors were later downgraded under conspicuous and controversial circumstances. According to Dr. William Marcus, the Chief Toxicologist at EPA's Office of Drinking Water, the downgrading of the tumors was politically motivated and not scientifically defensible.
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| Darren Ward |
Is artificial fluoridation criminal?
posted: 29/06/2002 19:59:00 |
In light of the recent research indicating health risks from low level fluoride exposure, the Union of Scientists and Professionals at EPA Headquarters has voted to oppose fluoridation and has called upon Congress to issue a "national moratorium" on the fifty year old policy. According to the Vice President of the Union, Dr. J. William Hirzy,
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"In summary, we hold that fluoridation is an unreasonable risk. That is, the toxicity of fluoride is so great and the purported benefits associated with it are so small - if there are any at all - that requiring every man, woman and child in America to ingest it borders on criminal behavior on the part of governments."
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| Darren Ward |
Nobel Prize in Medicine winner advises against.
posted: 29/06/2002 20:04:00 |
In the summer of 2001, Dr. Arvid Carlsson, the recent winner of the Nobel Prize in Medicine (2000), advised Canadian communities not to fluoridate their water. According to Carlsson:
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"I would advise against fluoridation. Individual prophylaxis (treatment) is preferable on principle grounds and is as equally effective. Fluoridation of water supplies would treat people who may not benefit from the treatment. Side-effects cannot be excluded and, thus, some people might only have negative effects without any benefit."
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| CHRISTOPHER68 |
fluoride questions
posted: 14/07/2002 16:38:00 |
Is this the reason for an increases of RHEUMATIOD and OSTEO ARTHRITIS also BRITTLE BONE DECEASE?
SO WHY did ALLERDALE COUNCIL who adopted a policy against FLUORIDATION allow in to be restarted in our water supply when it had stopped for a time
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| Darren Ward |
A good question
posted: 15/08/2002 16:18:00 |
A good question - why did ABC allow fluoride to be added after changing their pro stance to one of agianst? I would like to know too, I've been waiting for an official response but nothing yet. There is some some recent positive news over in Belguim. They have decided to ban fluoride supplements as it is deemed to be a highly toxic substance.
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| Marcela |
Darren George Ward?
posted: 18/09/2002 21:11:00 |
I hate doing it this way but I was hoping youre Tahlequahs Darren Ward... My e mail marcela_arvizu@yahoo.com.mx
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| cumbrian lad |
flouride
posted: 28/09/2002 19:38:00 |
. Was this added to water in the ALSTON water supply if so who added it may be sued for causing health problems as water was traced from lead mines into the towns water supply?
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| resident of ireland |
RE: Fluoridation of Public Water Suppy
posted: 26/03/2005 23:51:00 |
I have recently started researching the effects of fluoride on biological tissue, particularly collagen and I am surprised at how much peer reviewed information on the topic is out there I am annoyed at the complacency on the part of the general public; who are apparently happy to believe the information fed to us concerning the positive effects water fluoridation especially when there is so much info out there, I plan to publish a fact sheet on this subject on the web on 31 march, Ill send a link to here
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| John Newell |
RE: Fluoridation of Public Water Suppy
posted: 30/03/2005 05:24:00 |
Fluoridation: see: www.garynull.com
click: issues
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| Nicky Cockburn |
RE: Fluoridation of Public Water Suppy
posted: 14/09/2005 09:04:00 |
I am just astounded that this is put into our water supply against a person's wishes. I thought that the modern NHS didn't allow enforced medication. & whatever Dr Tiplady etc. says, it is mediction because it is something put into our water to alter the strength of teeth. I accept that it isn't pharamceutical grade, but it is there to alter the structure of teeth.
Apsirin is good for you, how about a little of that. Oh and folic acid, a must for pregnant women, why do the arrogant deciders of what we MUST DRINK for the greater good stop at fluoride?. Why Dr Tiplady?, how can he be independent? and there never was any consultation in the 1960/70's, that is a myth put out by those who needed an excuse to carry on this ridiculous outdated practice. I was here and was not consulted.
We should have the nicest water in the country and I have to buy bottles
In addition, The Health/water authority should provide the money towards the cost of recycling plastic because I can assure you that the only plastic I have that isn't recycled are vaste quantities of water bottles because there are 4 of us at home and I will not let any of my nearest and dearest touch the stuff out of the taps.
C'mon Allerdale, flex your muscles and stop this being done to residents, get out of the dark ages, you know it is an archaic practice to do this to water, even the american's have stopped
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| Eric |
RE: Fluoridation of Public Water Suppy
posted: 01/08/2006 13:33:00 |
Get a life! They're trying to help you. You need someting in your life to worry about! There are people in third world countrys dieing due to a lack of basic health care and you complain when someone actually tries to help!! AMybe if you had kids and couldn't afford the toothpaste then you'd understand a bit more why it's done
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| Nicky Cockburn |
RE: Fluoridation of Public Water Suppy
posted: 16/02/2007 16:56:00 |
Eric your commere trying to help you" What about freedom of choice, brown teeth and being poisoned.
I have a life thank you very much, but I want a choice on what is put into my drinking water. Please don't be personal.
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| the monitor |
RE: Fluoridation of Public Water Suppy
posted: 25/02/2007 20:34:00 |
I think you complainers need to get a grip. The "what about freedom of choice?" argument holds no weight for me - you do have the choice if you don't like it DON'T DRINK IT. Easy. The water has flouride added in order to help people, if it was not in there many people now would have no teeth at all, the poor who may have more to worry about than visiting a dentist for example. All you who are so up in arms about this water policy should thank yourselves lucky that this is the most worrisome thing in your lives as there are many in this world who's main concern is where they will get there next drink of water of any kind from.
p.s. If it bothers you so much you can buy 5 litre containers of water from ASDA for less than £1. p.p.s. I hope you are able to use your water supply for washing in or are you scared the fluride will get you in the shower as well?
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| Julian Moss |
RE: Fluoridation of Public Water Suppy
posted: 13/03/2007 14:37:00 |
I am astounded at the attitude of those on this site objecting to the complaints about fluoridation. If I want fluoride to protect my teeth I will use fluoride toothpaste. As it is I have almost no natural teeth left. My expensively restored teeth are stained brown by fluoride.
On the minus side my wife and some friends of ours have experienced serious health issues since moving into the Allerdale area which are conclusively caused by drinking the tap water. You can read all about it here: http://www.theparklands.co.uk/end-water-fluoridation-now.html .
It's all very well to say "you don't have to drink it" but why should we have to use bottled water. How are those on low incomes supposed to pay for it? How are those who don't have a car supposed to get a heavy load of water home from the shops? What about all the waste plastic bottles? Why do we have to buy "Scottish" bottled water when otherwise perfect Cumbrian mountain water flows out of our taps.
Allerdale citizens do not want fluoride in their water supply so we should not be forced to have it.
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| Shirley Wold |
RE: Fluoridation of Public Water Suppy
posted: 14/06/2007 00:14:00 |
I have to agree that the public water supply should not be contaminated with chemicals. Using bottled water as alternative doesn't help, it just creates more plastic bottles to be recycled, which some folks are too lazy to do, and the bottles themselves also contaminate the water. If one wants to use fluoride, there are dental jells as well as toothpastes. Just as we should have a choice to use Holistic Healthcare, rather than Conventional Medicine, Organically grown foods rather than chemically processed as much as possible; there should also be a choice about fluoridation. And, if people care that much about their dental health, cut out sugar and junk foods, brush and floss every day. For more information read: The Cure for All Diseases by Hulga Clark PhD, ND....food for thought! After that, fluoride might not be the only chemical a person would want to avoid!
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| Resident |
RE: Fluoridation of Public Water Suppy
posted: 16/12/2007 23:19:00 |
Come everyone to Beautiful Cockermouth.
Cockermouth where the drinking water is very contaminated. Don't Put your eyes near a running water tap. The water that will make your eyes strain with tears, from chemicals in the water.
If this is what is known as pure Lakeland water, you can forget it. I have lived in many parts of the uk with work. Not once have i known tap water to be this bad, or near as bad.
Local residents here tell me it is how it's been for years. When it was decided to flouride the water. One bad decision that was ever made for this town.
BTW the water smells like a swimming pool. Is a quick test to tell if you water has been polluted with fluoridation or not.
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| monty |
RE: Fluoridation of Public Water Suppy
posted: 21/02/2008 18:11:00 |
l do not pay for my tap water to be poisoned by drinking it.
The smell at times is like a newly sanitised swimming pool.
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| Ian Kirkpatrick |
RE: Fluoridation of Public Water Suppy
posted: 16/04/2008 22:02:00 |
I recently moved into a new apartment on Infirmary Road ( The old hospital site).We cannot drink the water or use it directly into a kettle, but have to filter ALL the water. I assume it has something to do with added chemicals - Can Allerdale advise on my best course of action
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| Peter Daley |
RE: Fluoridation of Public Water Suppy
posted: 17/04/2008 17:07:00 |
If you are experiencing problems of chemical odour or taste in the mains water supply you should contact United Utilities in the first instance on 0845 7462200. If the problem persists contact Allerdale Borough Council's environmental health team on 01900 702580 or'environmental.health@allerdale.gov.uk'.
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| Julian Moss |
RE: Fluoridation of Public Water Suppy
posted: 29/09/2008 15:38:00 |
Over a year ago we fitted a water filter, primarily ro get rid of the fluoride although it removes the chlorine as well. I have just written an article about it on the Cumbrians Against Fluoridation website: http:www.cumbriansagainstfluoridation.org.uk . The initial cost was just over 100 after which it will cost 40 to renew the filters every 6 months to a year. Thats still cheaper than bottled water. Tap water now tastes almost as good as water taken direct from a stream up on the Cumbrian fells!
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| Julian Moss |
RE: Fluoridation of Public Water Suppy
posted: 29/09/2008 15:42:00 |
This forum software messed up the address of the website (removed the dashes.) Try this shortcut: http:xaddr.comc
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| Julian Moss |
RE: Fluoridation of Public Water Suppy
posted: 29/09/2008 15:44:00 |
Aargh! One more try: http:xaddr.com forward slash c .
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| Jonathan Coles |
Fluoridation of Public Water Suppy
posted: 04/04/2010 12:31:00 |
The discovery that fluoride reduces dental caries was one of the greatest contributors to human wellbeing of the twentieth century. One of the things I pay taxes for is the careful study of what affects my health I am grateful for this and find it convenient to have fluoride in my drinking water. A place to start looking at the evidence is
httpnhmrc.gov.aufilesnhmrcfilepublicationssynopsesEh41FluoridationPartA.pdf. This is an analysis of available studies it is very critical of the quality of many of the studies, but concludes that there is strong evidence for, and no evidence against, the benefits of fluoridated water.
Two more points:
Of course fluoride is toxic in large quantities: so are oxygen, alcohol and vitamin A.
And if our tap water smells bad, it is not because of fluoride more probably chlorine.
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| Nicky Cockburn |
Fluoridation of Public Water Suppy
posted: 29/08/2010 15:21:00 |
It seems that despite the enforced medication edict from Tiplady et al, the fluoride cocktail is too dangerous for United Utilities to expose their workers to, (though safe to drink)! So United Utilities have not been adulterating our water for 5 years.
Dont you think someone should have told us?
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